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Talking About Immigration
May, 2006

There is an issue that is gripping the United States as people want to come live in the US and people want to leave; immigration and emigration in the land of plenty.

The issue of immigration has stirred us up, here are some of the diverse opinions on this important issue. I feel it odd that people are wanting citizenship in a country where the citizens are emigrating away from the oppression of their civil rights. One wants in while another wants out; economic freedom for liberty. Mexicans waving the stars and stripes while the most popular t-shirt for Americans traveling abroad is the Canadian maple leaf.

from CJ Christensen

Hello,

The immigration protest is a sham. Immigration in general is not the issue, it is about unlawful entry and related activities. These people do not care enough about this country to turn out against Bush and war in such numbers. They only care about themselves and the advantages they gain from being here.

The call for immigrants to stay away from work on Monday should be countered by U.S. citizens going to those employers with a written statement that they will do those jobs for fair pay, working conditions, and benefits.

"I support unions. I support worker rights for citizens, native and "naturalized". Illegal aliens do not have constitutional rights, only human rights. Their employment in this country by corporate criminals holds down the income of citizens. There are not jobs that Americans will not do, when fairly paid.

We should demand that our government relate to other countries in a way to help improve the lives of their people, so they need not leave home for a decent life.''

Sincerely,
CJ Christensen


Well put- thanks!
John


From Todd B.

I support right of free movement of people worldwide. Borders divide people. They are a relic of human history that should be softened and erased. The history of borders of course, is to mark the territory controlled by a given king or warlord. Borders are all about power arrangements between the power holders --not about advancing the circumstances of the people.

There is no moral argument for the people of one country to maintain a border against the free movement of people from other countries. If there were, then, where would it end? A wall around Seattle? Gated communities?

All these arguments are related to the idea of private ownership of land, which is another sacred cow issue constantly supported by the US education system and media, its blanket of state propaganda operated by its wealthy power holders.

I'm on their case because of the increasingly violent tactics of the US government against the world, and its policies which encourage waste and environmental destruction both internally and abroad. Latinos are our friends. We need more of them here, not less.

Todd B.

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from Karen K
Subject: Immigrants

Most of the "immigrants" are descendents of indigenous peoples whose lands were stolen, and whose families were displaced by Europeans. They have far more claim to this country than you or I, or C.J.

We should pressure other governments to provide better human and workers' rights, true, but we are also responsible for the vast numbers fleeing south and central American countries by our machinations in all those various countries. People don't generally leave their homes on a whim, they are generally forced to flee by extenuating circumstances, and I don't have to tell you anything about what we've done there.

C.J. is right about the numbers they could add to the fight against Bush.

I don't think C.J. is a racist, but the entire argument is a bit tinged. It is, after all the largely European majority that is responsible for the overpopulation, rape of the land, etc., etc. The descendents of the First Nations tend to live much more simply. But she is right in that a lot of them would simply prefer to live at home and not make this long commute, and would love higher paying jobs there. But they are the result of our policies of empire, and victims who are not to blame.

So how can we blame them more than ourselves?

Best, Karen K.

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from Kent M.

Wow.
"These people do not care enough about this country to turn out against Bush and war in such numbers. They only care about themselves and the advantages they gain from being here."

Wow.
How does the person that wrote the above quote know what "these people" think? Let's admit it. We affluent folk don't think much about "these people", in fact we don't even see them, until they march in our faces, and make us think. Then, I guess, we quickly make up an opinion.

I'll be at 20th and Jackson tomorrow. Maybe I'll learn something.

Adios, Kent M.

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from Jim H.

This is a multifaceted issue. CJ presents one opinion on one facet, there are many. How unaware, ignorant, and racist (in all the generalizations) that many of us are.

Marcia and I will join in somewhere on the march tomorrow (taking into account her knee surgery recovery). How appropriate that we have all been asked to be silent in the march! Perhaps we might just LISTEN for a change.

I have been close to the immigration (migrant workers) issue for 58 years. My father and I cleaned up and remodeled housing for the Mexican farm workers in our town; he paid them higher wages than any other farmer in the valley (garnering their anger), because "they are human beings, too, and need money to raise their children," he said. I cringe in hearing people say, "They only care about themselves, etc.," because they came here to seek a better life for their children and parents.

I have yet to meet anyone whose immigrant ancestors didn't come to America to seek a better life than they had in "the Old Country" (Europe, Russia, anywhere). U.S. history shows us that every wave of immigrants resents the next wave of immigrants and wants to close the borders. The Native Americans must be rolling their eyes at this whole discussion!!!

Peace,
Jim H.

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from Caleb
Subject: Immigrants

The only thing I could find in this letter to agree with is the part about "corporate criminals." Many unemployed Americans have neither the desire, energy, or ability to fill the jobs (at any possible price) held by those you deem as illegal aliens.

Poverty stricken populations of the world seek economic relief in the place where wealth can be found. Corrupt governments in this hemisphere and throughout the world have colluded and conspired to see that the concentration of that wealth is in the country where the dream of economic opportunity and individual freedom once, but no longer is, held in esteem. The U.S.A. has become a nation without conscience, full of greed, and no longer has any demonstrable understanding of freedom.

Solutions to any problem that are nationalistic and self serving will no longer make the grade in a world threatened with global economic, environmental and social ills. We can't think only about what is good for the U.S.A. Humanity is in crisis and solutions not based in generosity and sharing of a spirit of brotherhood with all, will never cut it. In addition, I for one, have sympathy for those who happened to be born south of an imaginary line. Subvert nationalism! Make peace! Share! Live a compassionate life!

Much love to you,
Caleb


from Michael Tivana
Subject: Immigrants

Common Beings

Upon discussing this hot topic with a few people I have reached this opinion. Yes there is a lot of blame to go around for the current immigration problem, both personal and national and system wide. We live in a system whose supply chains have come to depend upon the exploitation of others. I have heard the expressions of solidarity with our fellow humans:

“An injury to one is an injury to all”
“Live simply so others can simply live”
“Trade not at the expense of human suffering = FAIR TRADE”

Doing something about the problem of colonization that is driving people out of their homelands and into the USS Lifeboat means changing ones habits and customs. Shopping consciously is a way to fight the evils of globalized profit grabbing. Buy as many products as possible from the Fair Trade marketplace.

Legalize the WORKERS

Then there is the main issue of immigrants being exploited in the US. My friend Linda helped me realize that the main issue of the immigrants is they cannot join unions or bargain collectively for fair wages when they are illegal. The exploitation is maximized if they remain illegal. Thus the push to make them citizens will help all workers as they become active in supporting worker’s rights. The thing we all have in common is the peoples movements are by and large from the working class.

WORKERS UNITE is the battle cry not just here in the US but across the globe. Uniting workers and the working class globally allows civilization to vaporize these artificial boundaries called national borders. Not until the people forge cross border movements, engage in fair trade, develop customs, etc. will the borders be invalid.

“Totalization”

Then there is the plan to subvert the American worker by attacking his wages and benefits. This plan is called “Totalization”. It is a plan to bring the workers to the lowest not highest common denominator for wages and benefits. The planners of our world are bringing in millions of foreign workers that oftentimes do not pay into or collect social security or other benefits. The employers pay no workmans comp, unemployment insurance, social security taxes etc.

“Totalization" agreements are bilateral agreements between the United States and another country to coordinate their social security programs. These agreements eliminate the need to pay social security taxes in both countries when companies in one country send workers to the other country, and they protect benefit eligibility for workers who divide their careers between the two countries. The United States currently has totalization agreements with 20 countries, including Canada, Chile, South Korea, Australia and most of Western Europe. - http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/totalization.htm

U.S. law bars aliens living here illegally from receiving social security benefits.

Balance the wealth

Bringing in cheap labor is said to make America more competitive. Well when my job went to India and other jobs in my field (Web Production) went to Indian immigrants in this country I had to stop and think it through. My job paid $70K/yr and went to Bangalore for $10K/yr. This is more than a minor get over it problem. It leads me to think the solution is to raise the standard over seas. If we are to outsource our jobs we need to export our union organizers. If web producers in India make $70K a year then great. I would like to raise the working standard in the US to European levels where it is common to work a 35 hour week and take 6 week paid vacations. The minimum wage in Geneva is $20 USD. What I am talking about is balancing the wealth gap. But this is a longer topic.

Summary

Live in the New World system
Legalize the immigrants
Unify workers on a global scale
Make totalization illegal
Export the union organizers

Take control of your world,
Michael Tivana

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from Loretta A. subject: Immigration

Illegal immigration is more aptly called border-jumping and trespass - immigration is supposed to be a formal and orderly process. While I agree that it is a shame and a crime what multi-nationals and our own government have done to the people in Latin America and other oppressed regions around the globe (most horrendously in Iraq), realizing this should not be confused with an open door policy.

With over 6 billion people in the world, they can't all move here. It has to be done legally and in an orderly way. On a personal note, we have many friends in other countries who would love to immigrate and we would welcome them. Why, then, should those who chose to break the law be allowed to enter and stay? Those championing their cause are playing the pawn to those same multi-nationals that caused them to leave their home countries in the first place. What we must be working for is equity and human rights worldwide, denouncing in detail the sins of the multi-nationals and their corrupt foreign cronies along with the IMF and World Bank.

Another problem is the downward pressure on all wages. Illegal workers mean cheap workers. That displaces Americans who would be glad to do the work of housekeeping, restaurant staff, janitors, landscapers and carpenters, to name just a few - if the employers were willing to pay a living wage. It drives down the price of labor which hurts everyone, illegal workers included. They can be openly exploited by those same multi-nationals.

It helps to look at the problem from the standpoint of how other countries handle immigration. It would be instructive for Americans to try slipping across the border of many other countries in the world and then try going to work. Most other countries would not allow us to do that. If you tried to do it in Mexico or China, you'd be looking at deportation or a long stay in a filthy jail...or worse.

One last point that has bothered me lately. It is that picture of the immigation protester with the sign that reads "George Washington was an immigrant". Not really, not in the accurate definition of the word. He was native-born. A quick search on Google reveals the folly of that uneducated statement:

"George Washington's great-grandfather settled this plantation in 1657. The house in which Washington was born in 1732 (built by his father between 1722 and 1726) was destroyed by fire on Christmas Day, 1779. Since its original appearance is not known, a memorial house representing similar buildings of the day has been constructed on the site. The 538-acre facility replicates an 18th-century tobacco farm. The grounds contain the graves of 32 members of the Washington family, including George Washington's father, grandfather, and great-grandfather. Picnic facilities and a visitor center are on the premises."

[ Oh yes, and this is from someone who is part Native American. Simple fact is, he was born here. He wouldn't have been president otherwise.]

Always,
Loretta

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subject: Immigration

I didn't get my 2 cents in, it's short, sweet and to the point:
-CJ - by 'constitutional rights' are your referring to the same "Constitution" that was written by some of the first ILLEGAL aliens to this country?

Please don't share this with anyone - my compassion meter is shot and I'm just really tired of living among so many ignorant, selfish, greedy, lazy, white people. I'll probably get over it, just not today.

Anonymous


from Linda Warren
subject: Immigration

I am currently trying to brainstorm all of the connections between the peace movement and the immigrant rights movement. Comments will be appreciated. I would like to tweak it a bit, then get it out there for the peace movement to see.

Here is a partial list:
1) Racism; both the war and the legislation deeming immigrants felons is racist:

The imperialism that drives the war is racist and is evident is that (in) famous philosopher's statement that while all those who are "civilized" are deserving of liberty, those who are not, are deserving of despotic rule. Of course, this was John Stuart Mill writing a treatise titled "On Liberty" while he served a the colonial Administrator for India on behalf of the British Empire. It seems we took J.S. Mill seriously as a country in that we have, indeed, set about making sure that many countries in the world receive despotic rule. One of the ways that the racist historical arguments have been couched is that those with the power are educated, civilized, superior, while those they rule are the opposite. We have busily set about making sure that, initially, Iraq received a former CIA agent (an interesting form of despot) as their leader. Who knows what manipulations are in place now to make sure that "despotic rule" continues for Iraq.

The legislation that deems immigrants illegal, felons, or even "guest workers" is racist and is evident in the comments being made about "those people." I heard Lou Dobbs on CNN claiming that "those people" bring in cocaine and heroine, neither of which is true, of course. Any time we lump a group of people together, separate them out and designate them as "those people" rather than part of us, we are falling into a racist trap. That is, identifying people as "the other" is one of the steps of racism.

Then, there is the fact that the people that are being singled out are persons of color. It is a matter of fact that we do not do INS raids on white Europeans who have overstayed their Visas! However, there have been violent raids on Latino/a communities. One of those raids resulted in rounding everyone up, emblazoning black numbers on their arms, jamming them into trucks that were manure smeared, and carting them off to INS jails. This should sound familiar... One can read more about this type of treatment of immigrants in Christian Parenti's book, "Lockdown America." Some may recall that Hitler used blue triangles for immigrants, pink triangles for gay people, the star for Jewish people...

Exploiting people through war or through deeming them illegal immigrants has to stop!

Threating people's lives, or killing them, through war and through labelling them illegal immigrant "felons" is unconscionable.

2) Economic exploitation; both the war in Iraq and the attack on immigrants is in order to gain profit for the ruling class.

The war in Iraq is rather obviously towards ensuring wealth and power for those who are already wealthy and wield power. Besides making sure that the U.S. gains some control of the oil, we immediately rushed to have Allawi (our man from the CIA) sign Iraq on to an IMF loan. This means that we can control Iraq's economy, lend money to the Iraqis at high interest rates, which then requires that they send large sums of money back to Western banks. Convenient, because we can turn that money around that we get from the Iraqis, using their own money for "buying their oil." Clever and insidious.

The attack on immigrants works similarly in that the constantly shifting rules about their entry into the country are related to adjusting numbers to the corporate need for how many people they would like to exploit, at low wages, working at jobs that have unsafe conditions. When that need is met, we are so inclined to deport. Of course, an "illegal" work force that cannot join a union, be out in the open, and that has no constitutional rights, is very helpful to corporations in their project of maximizing exploitation. Perhaps the story of the workers at a company in California is instructive: All of the workers were granted legal status at some point; when that occurred they immediately walked off of their super-exploitative job and went to get a better job (see Christian Parenti's Lockdown America). This is why corporations, generally, prefer to keep them illegal, off-balance, and without rights.

3) The U.S. has created the conditions of poverty by following Mill's edict that people outside of the ruling Western nation should have a dictator (or a puppet government, or a corrupt government that is controlled by the U.S.); these cooperative dictators plunder the wealth, receive a lion's share for themselves and their "friends," and send the bulk of their country's wealth off to the U.S. Of course, the people we have just impoverished have little other choice than to follow the money/plunder, if they are not to starve. They follow the tribute their corrupt government pays in an ongoing way to the U.S. The money we plunder, and the people desperately needing some of it, land on our nation's doorstep. Then, we victimize them once again by either deporting them or exploiting them, depending on what serves the profit-mongers at the time.

When we realize that the U.S. government is creating the conditions of impoverishment, war, and despair, all around the globe, it becomes more clear why we ALL should support each other in an effort towards peace and economic justice. We cannot have peace without economic justice and we cannot have economic justice without peace. That is, the peace movement needs to work with the "economic justice" movement (in this case, the immigrant labor rights movement), and the "economic justice" movement needs to work with the peace movement, in order for either one of them to be successful.

Perhaps we should begin by working out points of unity!

Linda Warren

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from some right wingers

Supporters of this so-called "Great American Boycott" are calling it a protest.

I call it EXTORTION!

Jim Gilchrist, founder of the Minuteman said: "It's intimidation when a million people march down main streets in our major cities under the Mexican flag."

And this extortion WILL NOT fall on deaf ears in Congress. Our elected leaders will get the message loud and clear. According to Reuters this "Great American Boycott" is, "aimed at intimidating Congress as it debates the issue of immigration."

Enough is enough! America WILL NOT be extorted! America WILL NOT give in to blackmail!


more right wing opinion

"'Remember, nothing gringo on May 1,' advises one of the many e-mails being circulated among Internet users in Mexico."

"'On May 1, people shouldn't buy anything from the interminable list of American businesses in Mexico,' reads another. 'That means no Dunkin' Donuts, no McDonald's, Burger King, Starbucks, Sears, Krispy Kreme or Wal-Mart.'

"For some it's a way to express anti-U.S. sentiment, while others see it as part of a cross-border, Mexican-power lobby."


from the Ap wire

Senate OKs Border Fence, Backs Citizenship
By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent

The Senate agreed to give millions of illegal immigrants a shot at U.S. citizenship and backed construction of 370 miles of triple-layered fencing along the Mexican border Wednesday. Prospects for legislation clearing Congress were clouded by a withering attack against President Bush by a prominent House Republican.

The vote to build what supporters called a "real fence" - as distinct from the virtual fence already incorporated in the legislation - was 83-16. The fence would be built in areas "most often used by smugglers and illegal aliens," as determined by federal officials. Sen. Jeff Sessions (news, bio, voting record), R-Ala., estimated the cost at roughly $3.2 million per mile, more than $900 million for 300 miles.

The provision includes a call for construction of 500 miles of vehicle barriers, adding to a system currently in place.

Good fences make good neighbors, fences don't make bad neighbors," Sessions said. He said border areas where barriers are in place have experienced economic improvement and reduced crime.

All Republicans and more than half the Senate's Democrats supported the proposal. The measure includes a new guest worker program for as many as 200,000 people a year.

"...America can be a lawful society and a welcoming society and we don't have to choose between the two."
- Bush

Guest workers with no rights to a minimum wage, 40 hour week, or worker benefits; more like guest slaves. That makes the rest of us workers feel more secure, thanks George.

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